A case for Aspiria, the economy; and against Moderator abuse

[bambilover1214]

I have no idea what to post tbh.

I quess I will edit this later? ok xD Im writing a post rn :3

 

[ViolaEllen]

Hello, thank you for taking the time to read this forum post.

There is a danger present in the staff circle of this server; including un-noted biases, special relationships, and friend circles. I will not be pointing out any staff members, in order to preserve the right of their integrity.

One thing that has been more prevalent in the past few weeks, and something that every Aspiria member should be concerned about are the economic changes going on; moderator caused. A recent example of this is the mycelium value reduction, rendering many mining operations by several individuals non-profitable. The players have a stellar right to make a decent profit on this server, to enjoy the things which their money may buy, within a high-value economy. Mycelium is the rarest dirt-based material in minecraft, which leads to significant bounces in the accounts of members.

I say this to bring to light one thought: After careful inspection of the economy on multiple trials, I have determined, with the support of others, that there are no ways to levy the market or abuse it to make massive profits. Despite this new economic fairness, there are new threats to the economy.

I am aware of several of our current moderators who have been, or still are, abusing their powers to gain massive profits in the economy, in favor of their friends. Every member has the right to know the following information, which I have gathered from several sources:

1. Two of the Moderators are in a romantic relationship with eachother in this present time.
2. One of these moderators has access to the following tool.
- /i - The ability to spawn in items, outside of creative mode
3. All moderators have access to rollback - which can respawn in items, making an infinite supply of resellable items.
4. There is abuse of these moderator privileges going on.
5. There is a division within the staff team, where two parties butt heads, although it may not be present in the server chat.
6. The owner is a busy individual, and may not know the insider issues that are occurring.

These factors lead to an unsupervised staff team, and a fair amount of freedom for economy abuse against the economy and members; as well as many biases in favor of Moderator help, and the power to push forward with personal vendettas against members (This was, and is still happening)

Aspiria has the potential to be an amazing server, and with the owner's hard work and the welcoming community of the members, I speculate the server will achieve it's goals. These in-staff issues will be a blocking factor to this goal being achieved. I am well-read and informed on the issues that are currently going on in the server: being a longtime member, investor of the server, and former moderator, and I have made this determination.

With all in mind: I strongly encourage the following to be followed through and carried out.

1. The commands of the one moderator with /i be inspected, and /i be removed, assuring that there is no potential for spawning in items. I am not confident that this staff member should be capable to spawn in items; as it has, and will continue to cause economy abuse against the members on this server. These individuals involved know who they are, the consequences that is has, and will put forward by the community.

2. That each member, including you, be well-informed on what is happening in Aspiria, and keep an eye on the /baltop. It is one of the best ways to detect Mod-economy abuse, as it is near impossible given the current market prices, for any person's account to go up drastically. The members also have the right and responsibility to remind these staff members of their responsibility, and tell the owner likewise to assure that this server is the best of them all, and the safest of them all.

3. That there be a more transparent communication between staff, and member.

4. That the owner take the responsibility to carry out these suggestions, and assure the team is on-track, and prepared for Aspiria's soon success.

If you wish to contact me;
- Skype: Thecarlosman

Thank you.
- MrMcBurger

I know the two mods that are dating. I don't see the big deal they are two very hard working mods and two of the greatest mods I ever met so I think that it sould not matter. Anyway so what if they are dating in real life? That has nothing to do with minecraft. Also burger is this the reason you came back to try to target specific mods and try to get them in trouble?

 

[ViolaEllen]

I know the two mods that are dating. I don't see the big deal they are two very hard working mods and two of the greatest mods I ever met so I think that it sould not matter. Anyway so what if they are dating in real life? That has nothing to do with minecraft. Also burger is this the reason you came back to try to target specific mods and try to get them in trouble?

I also forgot to mention that they are very very talented aswell.

 

[PandaMaxTPN]

Speaking from past experiences, not from actual up-to-date factual knowledge:
While unfair usage of administrative commands, such as "/i", should be forbidden AND its corresponding rule should be enforced with regular inspections and eventual punishments, I do not think commands themself should be removed, unless useless for moderating purposes.

Also, I can see your mention of the concept of "banning", which is the main reason for me to write all of this. Let's start from the basis: banning someone, or, more formally, preventing any direct connection to the server to a certain person's UUID, is a safety measure used by forum and videogame server administrative entities, not a punishment, which seems to be the common definition. This prevents a player (whom was caught somehow damaging the related community) from misbehaving further.
Now, leaving a hypotetical misbehaving staffee without its potentially dangerous clearances, will fix the main problem; a punishment, if needed, would be stripping the user of some of his possessions, or doing so repeated times if he/she doesn't have enough to pay for his "crimes" with. In other words, cutting someone's access to the server is basically the auto-tuning of moderating: it may be the easiest way to get the job done, but not always THE one, and certainly NOT the BEST one. Imagine banning like exile: would you rather kill a thief, whom stole a pair of vegetals from a random dude, with exile or a fee/fine/whateveryoucallitintheunitedstatesofmurica (plus eventual prison sentence and such)?

To make my view more clear, I'll make a comparison between two ideal cases.

Case 1:

Occurrence:
The player "Genoveffo_1999" stole some milk from the neighbor because he was too lazy to buy it from the store.

Problem solution:
The neighbor is given back the stole milk (...other bottles of it).

Punishment:
Genoveffo is charged with a ...I don't know, 20€ fee?
​

Case 2:

Occurrence:
The player "Rosalindo_best_player_PvP_MlG_pr0" starts headbutting people in a mall in Turin, judging them as "n00bz" and smashing together some flint and steel next to the victims.

Problem solution:
Confinement to a mental rehabilitation facility.
(plus a water + HCl solution. That is always a good solution not to drink though.)

Punishment:
A knife inside both eyes. At the same time, right through the nose cavity. A dented, rusty knife. (possibly not the peak of my family-friendly postings *^*)​

I personally feel like banning-obsessed people are not really mature, and I'm sorry if it is offensive, but I also feel like it has to be said.


I want to enforce his argument, simplifying (and kinda... enhancing?) it.
Players are supposed to have the complete freedom of getting rich by legit means, right? That means I can dedicate my life (which implies skipping school, saying "pffft who needs a job?" and eating chocolate bars to avoid cooking) to mine stone/mycelium/whateveronium for the only purpose of buying off every item I see being auctioned or buying off every rare item from every seller at higher prices than everyone, in order to make the server bow and kneel before me as they get close to starving to death due to every living entity being killed by my personal army of iron golems. I have that right, don't I? Why would balancing incomes be a good thing for the server? Who cares about people who don't have ranks, anyway...
(got emotionally sarcastic, but I am very convinced of everything I meant to say)

Post-Scriptum: I edited this thread answer quite a lot of times, due to me being stupid >.<

Now, i'm not sure if you were interpreting it as I think we should ban the moderators or players themselves, but I was trying to say I think we should ban them from using commands for reasons like I said, though it could lead to a ban if the act is serious enough. Just making things clear ^-^
~Maxxi

 

[BiGUNMAN]

Let us please get back on track on this thread. The purpose is to discuss the issue MrMcBurger has decided to bring to light. Whether or not it's true or not is being discussed, but there is no reason to attack any parties in the discussion, whether it be providing their own opinion, evidence, defending or opposing the argument, or even neutral to it. The goal of this thread is to discuss the issue, not attack personal people trying to bring up what they believe is a problem. Thank you guys!

 

[oah]

I feel that two of the mods having a relationship has hurt the server in no way whatsoever.
They have not harmed the economy in any way,
I've seen no indication of any mod 'making an infinite supply of resellable items' and using the ability to make $.
If anything, the server has benefited from their relationship, in that they spend more time online, which gives us better mod coverage.

 

[philitup333]

SORRY IF THIS SUBJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED, CUZ I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE THREAD

Off the subject of gossip, I wanted to bring to mind that the player at the top of baltop earned 9mil in 1 night, while being watched by a mod who's name will not be stated. That night I logged off at around 10:30 Eastern Standard, and when I had connected the next day (About 9:30 EST) said player was at the top of /baltop with 9mil. Said player had no rank and was a newer player, so how could a newer player without a rank earn so much money so quick... idk. Later that morning idk who brought it up but somebody asked how they had earned so much money in under 12 hours, a moderator replied "They did it all legit, i watched". Let that sit.

 

[TabbyCatt26]

I can vouch for both because I know both that you mentioned, Phil. It is probably why we can't sell ores anymore and why prices (sell prices, at least) are going down.

 

[morphtrust]

I can vouch for both because I know both that you mentioned, Phil. It is probably why we can't sell ores anymore and why prices (sell prices, at least) are going down.

so are you saying that because you know them, as well as anyone in minecraft can know someone, we accept they did not cheat, or are you saying you were there watching too? one is hearsay and is useless, the other is an alibi which is useful.
[DOUBLEPOST=1464044309,1464044028][/DOUBLEPOST]as for the question on the person jumping to 9 mill, I saw that DiCape gave them like 5 million which I am sure she was possibly in /god or who knows what else, mode, making it easier cause of rank/position privileges, much the way /repair makes it easier, and unless I am mistaken, players who buy rank and then fix someone with out rank's stuff, gets into trouble, so would this not apply to giving large sums of money that the player can obviously use to advantage over other players, if the person who had the money possibly got it using perks from the ranks, ruining the need to buy a rank themselves? just asking as it does not logistically make sense to limit one rank option to be gifted as help to other players but allow another or something that would be questionably from such said thing, also watching a player do stuff in game is impossible to tell if they have x-ray correct or is there some way other than watching their mining patterns to know this? like something that shows up in the shell as they log in?

 

[philitup333]

so are you saying that because you know them, as well as anyone in minecraft can know someone, we accept they did not cheat, or are you saying you were there watching too? one is hearsay and is useless, the other is an alibi which is useful.
[DOUBLEPOST=1464044309,1464044028][/DOUBLEPOST]as for the question on the person jumping to 9 mill, I saw that DiCape gave them like 5 million which I am sure she was possibly in /god or who knows what else, mode, making it easier cause of rank/position privileges, much the way /repair makes it easier, and unless I am mistaken, players who buy rank and then fix someone with out rank's stuff, gets into trouble, so would this not apply to giving large sums of money that the player can obviously use to advantage over other players, if the person who had the money possibly got it using perks from the ranks, ruining the need to buy a rank themselves? just asking as it does not logistically make sense to limit one rank option to be gifted as help to other players but allow another or something that would be questionably from such said thing, also watching a player do stuff in game is impossible to tell if they have x-ray correct or is there some way other than watching their mining patterns to know this? like something that shows up in the shell as they log in?

If the person is good you wouldn't be able to tell if they were using x-ray, but if they dont know how to cover their tracks they way they mine would be directed to the higher quality ores, they usually mine directly to them.

 

[TabbyCatt26]

so are you saying that because you know them, as well as anyone in minecraft can know someone, we accept they did not cheat, or are you saying you were there watching too? one is hearsay and is useless, the other is an alibi which is useful.
--- Double Post Merged, Today at 6:58 PM, Original Post Date: Today at 6:53 PM --- as for the question on the person jumping to 9 mill, I saw that DiCape gave them like 5 million which

You said Di gave them 5 million, and I watched them get another 2 million. And yes, I know both persons well. About as well as you can know a person without seeing them irl.
And I know that it is really obvious to know who uses X-Ray cause I was a mod on another server once, a while ago, and I saw people using it a lot and I know that our mods catch it, too. But I mean, silking ores and selling them is disabled now anyway. Shrug. XD

 

[morphtrust]

problem is that is why it is disabled, I am digging and selling what I get for a build and I have been doing it right digging out everything and this of course had to happen before I could get to any gold or other better ores at all, so now my funds for my build will suffer, though it is a concern it is not a super huge concern since I dont know what it is going to cost to rebuild from the bedrock back up the massive dungeon and small city/largeish town I plan to build, It does mean though that I may have to resort to going out and mining other areas and leaving them bereft of their ores to finish building possibly (also the extra funds should I have any was going to be used to stock said dungeon so players could adventure through it and add to the excitement more than just seeing how it was laid out and killing some mobs before they light it all up, but I guess what is, is.
[DOUBLEPOST=1464080646,1464080463][/DOUBLEPOST]additionally we are not addressing since this has made it an issue now, a mod or rank entity that I am sure is in /god and using /fly to grind, giving money to another non-rank person which is pretty much like using /repair for them,

first I should ask for clarification, do people actually get into trouble for doing this? or is that just a rumor? if it isn't then doing anything using rank or mod super powers that is not just correcting a problem (griefing and the like) I would think would be against said rules, and that 5 mill would have to go back to them the way my purchase of Excalibur at 100k was reversed apparently cause it was too cheap a price for said sword (and probably a good thing now as I may need that 100k for my build lol

 

[TabbyCatt26]

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problem is that is why it is disabled, I am digging and selling what I get for a build and I have been doing it right digging out everything and this of course had to happen before I could get to any gold or other better ores at all, so now my funds for my build will suffer, though it is a concern it is not a super huge concern since I dont know what it is going to cost to rebuild from the bedrock back up the massive dungeon and small city/largeish town I plan to build, It does mean though that I may have to resort to going out and mining other areas and leaving them bereft of their ores to finish building possibly (also the extra funds should I have any was going to be used to stock said dungeon so players could adventure through it and add to the excitement more than just seeing how it was laid out and killing some mobs before they light it all up, but I guess what is, is.
[DOUBLEPOST=1464080646,1464080463][/DOUBLEPOST]additionally we are not addressing since this has made it an issue now, a mod or rank entity that I am sure is in /god and using /fly to grind, giving money to another non-rank person which is pretty much like using /repair for them,

first I should ask for clarification, do people actually get into trouble for doing this? or is that just a rumor? if it isn't then doing anything using rank or mod super powers that is not just correcting a problem (griefing and the like) I would think would be against said rules, and that 5 mill would have to go back to them the way my purchase of Excalibur at 100k was reversed apparently cause it was too cheap a price for said sword (and probably a good thing now as I may need that 100k for my build lol

i really hope that giving stuff isn't frowned upon though because I literally give just about everything I have away. And if you need cobble or stone, hit me up because I am leveling an island and about the /repair—it is technically against the rules (as far as I know) but I also know that people ignore that rule, so. But seriously, if you need cobble or stone, I have waaaay too much on my hands.

 

[morphtrust]

well see giving some stone or cobble is going to be what I would see as destroying a penny to make a charm, and giving 5 million to a player would be more like going to a bank and burning it down, lol. big difference in the quantity and how it effects the economy of a people, (country vs server there) or I guess more appropriately the difference between said penny from a bank manager and a bank manager just giving someone 5million dollars at the bank's expense, the bank would have a rule against the penny but probably just ignore it, where as 5 million dissappearing to someone who did not qualify for it would definitely cause some repercussions.

 

[ChickenSaysBak]

People are not allowed to /repair things for other people because what would be the point in the other person buying a rank for the /repair command if someone else is doing it for them?
Giving out money or even money from the store is allowed because you are able to run out of it vs with /repair both people can use it just as many times.

 

[TabbyCatt26]

I just accumulate too much stuff because I never throw anything away, so I just dish out freebies every so often. Especially in armor/tools.

 

[morphtrust]

been tossing out damaged tools and bows from the mobs lately, was fixing them and enchanting some of them to eat up useless to me enchantment books but now the auctions are broken so I cant even unload them properly, (think trade is broken too)

 

[Queen_Says_Bak]

I noticed we can't sell Ores anymore, I was kind of bummed out by that, I make most of my money from mining coal with a silk touch and selling it, I wanted to mention I don't have a problem with the mods who are in a relationship, I don't think it matters.
[DOUBLEPOST=1464138964,1464138553][/DOUBLEPOST]

Hello, thank you for taking the time to read this forum post.

There is a danger present in the staff circle of this server; including un-noted biases, special relationships, and friend circles. I will not be pointing out any staff members, in order to preserve the right of their integrity.

One thing that has been more prevalent in the past few weeks, and something that every Aspiria member should be concerned about are the economic changes going on; moderator caused. A recent example of this is the mycelium value reduction, rendering many mining operations by several individuals non-profitable. The players have a stellar right to make a decent profit on this server, to enjoy the things which their money may buy, within a high-value economy. Mycelium is the rarest dirt-based material in minecraft, which leads to significant bounces in the accounts of members.

I say this to bring to light one thought: After careful inspection of the economy on multiple trials, I have determined, with the support of others, that there are no ways to levy the market or abuse it to make massive profits. Despite this new economic fairness, there are new threats to the economy.

I am aware of several of our current moderators who have been, or still are, abusing their powers to gain massive profits in the economy, in favor of their friends. Every member has the right to know the following information, which I have gathered from several sources:

1. Two of the Moderators are in a romantic relationship with eachother in this present time.
2. One of these moderators has access to the following tool.
- /i - The ability to spawn in items, outside of creative mode
3. All moderators have access to rollback - which can respawn in items, making an infinite supply of resellable items.
4. There is abuse of these moderator privileges going on.
5. There is a division within the staff team, where two parties butt heads, although it may not be present in the server chat.
6. The owner is a busy individual, and may not know the insider issues that are occurring.

These factors lead to an unsupervised staff team, and a fair amount of freedom for economy abuse against the economy and members; as well as many biases in favor of Moderator help, and the power to push forward with personal vendettas against members (This was, and is still happening)

Aspiria has the potential to be an amazing server, and with the owner's hard work and the welcoming community of the members, I speculate the server will achieve it's goals. These in-staff issues will be a blocking factor to this goal being achieved. I am well-read and informed on the issues that are currently going on in the server: being a longtime member, investor of the server, and former moderator, and I have made this determination.

With all in mind: I strongly encourage the following to be followed through and carried out.

1. The commands of the one moderator with /i be inspected, and /i be removed, assuring that there is no potential for spawning in items. I am not confident that this staff member should be capable to spawn in items; as it has, and will continue to cause economy abuse against the members on this server. These individuals involved know who they are, the consequences that is has, and will put forward by the community.

2. That each member, including you, be well-informed on what is happening in Aspiria, and keep an eye on the /baltop. It is one of the best ways to detect Mod-economy abuse, as it is near impossible given the current market prices, for any person's account to go up drastically. The members also have the right and responsibility to remind these staff members of their responsibility, and tell the owner likewise to assure that this server is the best of them all, and the safest of them all.

3. That there be a more transparent communication between staff, and member.

4. That the owner take the responsibility to carry out these suggestions, and assure the team is on-track, and prepared for Aspiria's soon success.

If you wish to contact me;
- Skype: Thecarlosman

Thank you.
- MrMcBurger

I mean we love you and all Burger, but you were once a mod yourself, and a very good one might I add but you somehow got banned from being a mod. I am not completely sure how and it is a private matter but If you are calling other people out I think that you may need to take a look at the past. These problems are accusing but I still have no problem with it if everyone just gets along and stays the same old, Aspiria family I think it will all be ok. As for the relationship, I don't think many people know about it and I also don't understand how it hurts the server. I mean who cares they like each other so I don't understand why they can't hang out without being torchered by the public XD I mean seriously Paparazzi my friend. I live this server and I don't want anything to change

Keep It cool guys <3

-Sarah

 

[PsyberTech]

People are not allowed to /repair things for other people because what would be the point in the other person buying a rank for the /repair command if someone else is doing it for them?
Giving out money or even money from the store is allowed because you are able to run out of it vs with /repair both people can use it just as many times.

Is there some place where this rule is posted where I can see it?

 

[ChickenSaysBak]

Is there some place where this rule is posted where I can see it?

Donor Rules

• - Do not use mob eggs in non-pvp areas.

• - Do not exploit any perk

You can view this on More > Rules > Donor rules. I think it might be a little more specific in /rules about repairs (or it did at some point) but it counts as exploiting perks.